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fry
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mo' input - sketchbook location
« on: Jul 31st, 2003, 4:34am » |
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i'm planning to dispose of the 'default' subfolder for sketchbook in a release soon to happen, and would also like to move the sketchbook to somewhere specific to the user. meaning:
on macosx.. /Users/yourname/Documents/Processing/sketchbook
(in Documents? or just in your home folder?)
on windows.. c:\documents and settings\yourid\My Documents\Processing\sketchbook
(i personally hate "My Documents" but man, msft is pushing it)
on linux.. ~/.processing/sketchbook
(should this be a hidden folder or a visible one?)
i'm not nuts about this setup, and am wondering if someone has better ideas for the locations. this would be an option that more advanced users could take control over, but as a default, it'd be nice to have things setup so that the processing application is separate from the sketchbook, so that when a new copy of p5 is installed, the sketchbook needn't be copied from the old version (though since it's an option, people could always change this to the current setup).
eventually the Processing subfolder would contain other properties or classes or other things we dream up, that's why the additional directory. (though that's subject to input as well)
comments? in the end, this will be a configurable option, so people can have it their way. i'm simply looking for the best possible "default" solution for the 85% of people (ok, more like 95%) who won't ever bother changing the settings.
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Glen Murphy
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #1 on: Jul 31st, 2003, 5:20am » |
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On Windows, I'd go with 'My Documents' - I'd been resisting using it for several years now, but someone made a good point that it's very much equivalent to a unix home directory, and it makes backing up and such just SO much easier.
Although, having /processing/sketchbook/ seems a bit redundant - are there going to be any other things under /processing/ ?
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mKoser
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #2 on: Jul 31st, 2003, 10:50am » |
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Sounds like a good idea to go with "My Documents" ... I personally don't use it, but for now, i think it makes sense to make this the default.
How about adding a property to the "pde.properties" file which contains the location of your skecthbook, this way Advanced users can change it now, and a custom setup option can be added to the install process later?
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mikkel crone koser | www.beyondthree.com | http://processing.beyondthree.com
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fry
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #3 on: Jul 31st, 2003, 6:13pm » |
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on Jul 31st, 2003, 5:20am, Glen Murphy wrote:| Although, having /processing/sketchbook/ seems a bit redundant - are there going to be any other things under /processing/ |
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yeah..
on Jul 31st, 2003, 4:34am, fry wrote:| eventually the Processing subfolder would contain other properties or classes or other things we dream up, that's why the additional directory. (though that's subject to input as well) |
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but the more i think about it (as i was writing the original message) the more it seems like we could just have a "Processing" folder and it would contain sketches and perhaps the properties files could just be commingled. i know i dislike unnecessary folders, or even making room for future enhancements that may not actually happen.
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fry
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #4 on: Jul 31st, 2003, 6:15pm » |
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on Jul 31st, 2003, 10:50am, mKoser wrote:| How about adding a property to the "pde.properties" file which contains the location of your skecthbook, this way Advanced users can change it now, and a custom setup option can be added to the install process later |
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yup. it's actually been an (unsupported) option in pde.properties for a few releases, though it doesn't completely work. i'm gonna fix that when i go in to do the new default folders.
as a bit of background.. in general we're doing all we can to 1) avoid installers and 2) avoid a big, confusing, preferences panel (that would replace pde.properties). so we're trying to pick good defaults for things, so that people aren't wistful for more options.
thanks a lot for the (speedy!) input, glen & mkoser..
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skloopy
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #5 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 10:18am » |
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Personally I keep most of my working files on an external drive, because my internal is pretty small. It's probably not usual. Using Documents in OS X seems like a good idea, but i've never really used it for anything... It seems like something more for a multiuser computer. Supposedly Home and Docs and stuff are going to be easier to use in 10.3. iTunes on OS X does something like what you're saying. It defaults to home but has a pref for setting the music folder to some other place. It's a little annoying if you have more than one folder of MP3s (or P5 sketches).
I know it's probably not going to happen, but I would really like to have a folder for shared source files that get compiled with every sketch. It's off topic, but it might affect the file system.
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fry
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #6 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 5:43pm » |
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on Aug 1st, 2003, 10:18am, scloopy wrote:| I know it's probably not going to happen, but I would really like to have a folder for shared source files that get compiled with every sketch. It's off topic, but it might affect the file system. |
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actually it is definitely gonna happen.. this is one of the half-dozen big things we need to finish before beta. (but if anyone wants to discuss that, it should be in 'suggestions'.. i don't wanna start that thread here..  )
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mohn
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #7 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 9:14pm » |
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never use the Documents folder in os x - maybe cause i hate extra folders and the like. some people call it lazy, i call it simple.
my suggestion would be:
/Users/yourname/Processing/sketchbook
it is a super easy place to find from command line and the shift-apple-h key sequence takes you right there from finder.
i do like the idea of just a processing folder that contains sketfches and properties files commingled. nice and simple.
excited about shared source folder...
-t
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fry
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #8 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 11:25pm » |
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on Aug 1st, 2003, 9:14pm, mohn wrote:my suggestion would be:
/Users/yourname/Processing/sketchbook
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although what happens in the case that the person has the app installed in their home directory as "Processing".. seems like it could cause some trouble, no or maybe we'll just have to warn the user in those cases, and make sure that the processing folder has its version number on it as well, perhaps.
i agree with you on the dislike of the Documents folder, mostly because other apps feel it necessary to take it over, and i don't want all their boogers mixed with my own documents. but it seems like this is what apple is recommending for documents, same as My Documents on the pc. although you're right.. being able to jump to the home directory is a huge plus.
(fwiw, eventually i'd like it to just be Processing.app, with no extra folder containing it.. mmm, tasty)
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mohn
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #9 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 11:56pm » |
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on Aug 1st, 2003, 11:25pm, fry wrote:
although what happens in the case that the person has the app installed in their home directory as "Processing".. seems like it could cause some trouble, no or maybe we'll just have to warn the user in those cases, and make sure that the processing folder has its version number on it as well, perhaps. |
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good point... i'll have to rethink that a bit...
on Aug 1st, 2003, 11:25pm, fry wrote:
(fwiw, eventually i'd like it to just be Processing.app, with no extra folder containing it.. mmm, tasty) |
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ouch in a good way.
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Koenie
  
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #10 on: Aug 2nd, 2003, 2:00pm » |
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I like the sketchbook location the way it is now.
Koenie
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http://koeniedesign.com
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Allen
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #11 on: Aug 2nd, 2003, 9:15pm » |
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/Users/yourname/Documents/Processing/sketchbook
Sounds good to me
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benelek
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #13 on: Aug 6th, 2003, 4:46am » |
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doesn't really bother me where the folder is, if there's a link to open it from one of p5's menus.
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pollux
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Re: mo' input - sketchbook location
« Reply #14 on: Aug 26th, 2003, 11:42am » |
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i guess it is maybe too late and quite complicated, (if not completely out of the question), but what about Processing asking you where to put the folder at first-run?
pros:
- it'll satisfy everybody.
- you'll actually know for sure where the folder is.
cons:
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pollux | www.frwrd.net
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