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Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Apr 6th, 2010, 4:44am
 
Hi

I have just joined the Discourse, to share my experiences with Processing.

But it is completely impossible to post anything relevant, because I get the "you have to post 5 thing before you can post active links".

Why do I have to spam 5 conversations with babble before I can post what I want?
I am not posting links to advertise.

I want to post code - share code. But my code contains links, and the links is "detected" as active links and thereby my post is forbidden.

I know you have done this as an attempt to limit spam, but could you please find another way?
It makes me feel very unwelcome in the Processing club... Sad

I don't need to babble - I just need to post relevant comments and examples..

Best regards
Christian
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2010, 4:45am
 
... and now, I have to spam some more, by replying to my own post, to get posts enough to get about the 5-post limit.
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2010, 4:46am
 
.. do you get the point?
Smiley
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #3 - Apr 6th, 2010, 5:34am
 
sure we get the point, you are not posting spam, but other people does
http://processing.org/discourse/yabb2/num_1265624003_30.html#35 we have already discussed it several times, not an easy problem to solve. you can still post some links, by just adding some spaces or write dot for . until you got your 5 posts. but i guess you got them by now Smiley

Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #4 - Apr 6th, 2010, 6:00am
 
wow - yeah, I read the post and I can see how you are struggeling to combat spammers.
The digital black plague spread by cyber rats..

Sorry if I was beeing rude about the 5 post limit.

Hope we all somehow will find a solution to the spam problem...

Best regards
Christian
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #5 - Apr 6th, 2010, 6:49am
 
Actually, I even made the same suggestion (in a more informal way) in the past... in quieter times where all messages were legit! Seeing regular people posting dummy messages was irritating (although they can just post URLs without http, overdecorating URL (like inserting too much space) hurts because people have more work to make a valid one).

But finally, such restriction proved useful when we were hit by the spam attach.
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #6 - Apr 6th, 2010, 8:00am
 
i find how people cope with the 'can't post urls' problem to be a useful barometer of their subsequent worth here. some are lateral thinkers who obfuscate the url just enough to bypass the filters. others give you enough information to find it yourself. and some just introduce noise...
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #7 - Apr 6th, 2010, 10:22am
 
I personally would prefer a little noise over having to destroy a working code example.  Smiley

But others might have other priorities, and I respect that.

Regards
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #8 - Apr 6th, 2010, 10:01pm
 
Dumb question:

does anyone actually click on the links in spam messages

I mean, really

Unless the spam is crafted to look like a discussion about Processing and has a disguised link (supposedly to something else), what intelligent person is going to click on them As for anyone that perhaps isn't so bright, maybe they will learn after clicking on a few.

Still remove the spam when detected, but I don't think it matters whether there is a link in it or not.

I just had a look at the YaBB Help Center and didn't see anything that looks like there is an option to have a moderation queue for new users (that is, where new users' posts do not automatically appear and must first be approved by a moderator).

However, there are options to limit access to Boards based on Member Groups. If a new users is automatically assigned to the newbies Post-Dependent Member Group, then there could be a Board where newbies (and anyone else) can post freely; a Global moderator can then manually move newbie posts from the newbies board to the appropriate location (if relevant) and manually allocate newbie users to a different Post-Dependent Member Group which is allowed access to all other Boards.

This will limit first-time-poster spam to the newbies board.

There are also YaBB Mods available to provide "report to moderator" links for elsewhere in the forums.

-spxl
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #9 - Apr 7th, 2010, 4:38am
 
it's not a question of people clicking on spam links, it's more about getting google to index the spam link and increasing its page rank and seeming validity. (search for SEO)

that said, i have a friend that works at google and he says that they are wise to this and it rarely succeeds. here it's especially pointless as the members pages (which is where the links generally are) are deliberately not indexed. in fact, the members link above just gets me an error now.
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #10 - Apr 7th, 2010, 8:06am
 
I think worrying about some random garbage spam site's page rank is very low priority.

As you wrote, Google isn't that silly.

Back to the important issue of allowing access to legitimate users.

-spxl
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2010, 1:29am
 
I concur with the OP and I am glad I found something to post on so that I can get this out of the way and put my image in the thread I am trying to post.
Re: Please remove the 5 post starting problem
Reply #12 - Jun 1st, 2010, 3:21am
 
I think this spamming thing are really disturbing in the sense that they really shock the virtual world and left it with no choice but to implement such 5 post rule. This is a very good way to exterminate those kinds of behaviors that's irritating for all of us. I also extend that these people (spammers) should evolve in a better and meaningful approach, not just like for their own personal ways. This is their challenge to do great things other than to destroy. Shocked
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