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Question: Which of the following ideas will be validated? ok-multiple



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andrewowaun
Re: Combined Processing Effort Poll
Reply #15 - Mar 13th, 2010, 7:58am  
Basically, I agree with Cedric.

Seamless, in the terms of that there is no jarring effect when one sketch completes and the transition moves to the other sketch.

The idea of using a common picture is what creates the seamless transition. The idea of using a white dot or circle with a black background appears to be the consensus.

The dot can be a sphere or ellipse or a series of ellipses going down the z-axis and the possibilities roll on.

That's the premise. We all start and end with the same pic. Within those 150 frames the processing sketch can do whatever it likes then come back to the common screen and the next sketch is loaded and so on and so on.
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Cedric
Re: Combined Processing Effort Poll
Reply #16 - Mar 13th, 2010, 8:34am  
sounds good. so 150 frames means only 2.5 seconds when running with 60fps. thats probably a bit short, isnt it ? especially when you have to transform from and into a circle and the end and beginning.
so i guess there are 3 more questions to answer, or at least to define.

1. what is the starting and end of every sequence? i believe a white dot on a black canvas offers a lot of possibilities and is easier to work with than a cross. it also is somehow, the most basic shape we can think of.

2. what should be the resolution. these videos running with 720p ? what resolution is that exactly ? looks good to me...

3. define a fixed framerate, and define how long a sequence can be.
any ideas ? 5 seconds should be the minimum, dont you think? but i am not sure here...
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Re: Combined Processing Effort Poll
Reply #17 - Mar 13th, 2010, 10:45am  
Having start/end at an "image" (dot, circle, cross, whatever) ignores the obvious: fade from/to black or just hard cut!

Having every image start and end on a white dot, for instance, will get annoying.

I vote for optional black in/out else anything goes - hard cut is fine.

Also, if there is some intention to load sketches dynamically, 150 frames is not long enough; too much time will be spent waiting for next sketch to load.

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Cedric
Re: Combined Processing Effort Poll
Reply #18 - Mar 13th, 2010, 10:54am  
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Having every image start and end on a white dot, for instance, will get annoying.I vote for optional black in/out else anything goes - hard cut is fine.


dont think so. if we just make some hard cuts, or fade in fade out. people can just do what they want and all we got in the end are some vidos that dont belong together... not much different from any other video compilation i think...
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Re: Combined Processing Effort Poll
Reply #19 - Mar 13th, 2010, 11:48am  
I don't think I've seen a demo reel that has segments that all return to a particular, yet vastly uninteresting, scene. If a VFX artist doesn't do it, I don't expect it is something you really want to go for.

I think you underestimate how exciting/stimulating a sequence of "unrelated" sketches might be.

If the idea is for this to be executible, I think it will be perfect. Going to a white dot every 150 frames _will_ get tedious.

However, if the idea is to have numerous different seies with different "themes" (linking images, whatever), it could be interesting.
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Cedric
Re: Combined Processing Effort Poll
Reply #20 - Mar 13th, 2010, 12:01pm  
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If a VFX artist doesn't do it, I don't expect it is something you really want to go for.

to be honest i dont care what other people use to do. its not like we are trying to copy anything or anybody. and you are right, ive seen alot of great videos and showreels that were just some a collection of videos, thats true. but to start and end with something was actually the whole concept and to decide if people like the idea we did this poll...
but you are right again, if this should be an executeable sketch, this is going to be pretty hard to solve, but i am not sure if that was ever indented.

Anyway, we will see. i will take part in whatever we will do in the end,
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introspector
Re: Combined Processing Effort Poll
Reply #21 - Mar 13th, 2010, 1:24pm  
why don't  we make this into a cadavre exquis surealist thing  Wink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exquisite_corpse

one person starts, makes 150 frames and passes the last frame to the next person, and so on till everybody intrested had his go, only then the whole sequence will be revealed.

ok, it will take a bit longer, but it beats doing endless polls.  One way to keep interest is by making the transition frames public, and implying strict deadline (i.e. one week per participant)

You could further specify some restrictions on the transition frames (black & white, flat image, relative simple etc ) or not.
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yconst
Re: Combined Processing Effort Poll
Reply #22 - Mar 14th, 2010, 11:40am  
Technically speaking, a video is the easiest thing to achieve. You just dump a bunch of frames and that's it. Or use a video library. Anything.
Plus, it's massively distributable: It just works. You don't even need a computer.

Producing a sketch might be more challenging, since someone must set up a framework and people will have to work within that framework/coding style etc. which I believe might turn some people which would otherwise participate, away from the effort. I haven't studied what goes on on the openprocessing template, just took a quick glance at it (bit lazy here Wink, dunno, maybe it's worth it after all...

Regarding transitions, I'd go with anything. I like the idea of a common template as I like the unrelated sequencing. Maybe a common template would produce a more concise result: It would actually show that this is an effort based on common grounds...

But what I believe is most important, as introspector mentioned, is to be resolute about it. To not get lost in endless discussions. To do it while it's still hot! Wink
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andrewowaun
Re: Combined Processing Effort Poll
Reply #23 - Mar 15th, 2010, 11:49am  
Processing is a wonderful piece of software!

Here is a basic sketch loading six (6) sketches from http://www.openprocessing.org

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http://www.openprocessing.org/visuals/?visualID=8251
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