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douglas edric stanley

standards-compliant "built with processing"
Dec 13^th, 2006, 2:30pm

Howdy y'all.

I was cleaning up my website today (ugh!) and trying to remove a bunch of non-xHTML code (yikes!) when I ran into the non-standards-compliant problem of the default html that Processing generates.

I found this thread in the archives, (http://processing.org/discourse/yabb_beta/YaBB.cgi?board=Integrate;action=display;num=1119699148") which points to the following example (http://ww2.cs.fsu.edu/~steele/XHTML/appletObject.html), which is pretty good, although I suppose there is a cleaner solution out there.

The W3C validator (http://validator.w3.org) pointed me to a good article on A List Apart: http://alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay, which discusses this issue in relation to Flash.

Anyone have any suggestions on making the default "built with Processing" tag xHTML-Strict?

REAS YaBB Moderator Offline Posts: 712 CA	Re: standards-compliant "built with processin Reply #1 - Dec 14^th, 2006, 12:07am We need someone to advise us on this because neither Ben or myself are in the business of building websites. Our most important consideration is not to be xHTML compliant, it's having the HTML work on as many browsers as possible, including older software. Casey

fjen God Member Offline Posts: 965	Re: standards-compliant "built with processin Reply #2 - Dec 15^th, 2006, 8:46am i'll be in the boston-office from saturday on. can work on it next week. best, F

douglas edric stanley

Re: standards-compliant "built with processin
Reply #3 - Dec 15^th, 2006, 1:41pm

I found the following code from the above site to work pretty well:

Code:

<!--[if !IE]>-->
<object classid="java:myFancySketch.class" type="application/x-java-applet" archive="myFancySketch.jar" height="300" width="400" >
<!-- Konqueror browser needs the following param -->
<param name="archive" value="myFancySketch.jar" />
<!--<![endif]-->
<object classid="clsid:8AD9C840-044E-11D1-B3E9-00805F499D93" height="300" width="400" >
 <param name="code" value="myFancySketch" />
<param name="archive" value="myFancySketch.jar" />
</object>
 <!--[if !IE]>-->
</object>
<!--<![endif]-->

I don’t like the classid, frankly it’s an eyesore. There’s got to be better.

I tried it Mac/PC, Firefox/Safari/Explorer, worked fine. But those were all recent machines with recent iterations of those browsers. Someone should probably check further back.

I /absolutely/ agree with Casey : it’s important to have as many machines reading it as possible. And as such I agree with your priorities. But in the future, that’s also going to mean going standards-compliant. And someone here has got to be standards-savy, at least more than me, and apparently more than you. It’s a collective party, after all.

fjen God Member Offline Posts: 965	Re: standards-compliant "built with processin Reply #4 - Jan 2^nd, 2007, 4:18am just quickly reporting back that i'm working on it. have some notes and testpages here: http://bezier.de/xhtml/ F

douglas edric stanley YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 35	Re: standards-compliant "built with processin Reply #5 - Jan 2^nd, 2007, 4:55pm The tableau looks great, but, uhhh, I didn't exactly understand the methodology, especially the first two collumns with Java disabled.

fjen

Re: standards-compliant "built with processin
Reply #6 - Jan 2^nd, 2007, 4:58pm

first two columns check the behavior without java, so wether or not the fallback-text is displayed. fallback-text is the text inside the applet/object tag, which should be displayed if java's not there or not working.

next two columns are the results for the tags itself. wether or not the applet ran ok.

the last two columns are the results from testing wether or not the object tag fully supports javascript (mayscript-param) and wether the applet can read params from the tag.

F

fjen

Re: standards-compliant "built with processin
Reply #7 - Jan 2^nd, 2007, 5:44pm

another thing i just have to add: i was impressed that, although everybody seems to hate the object-tag solution, in the end it was more predictable and reliable.

things i've not tested so far:
- different machines (but XP on virtualPC is almost as bad as it can get i guess)
- what happens if older versions (than 1.4.2) of java are installed
(the object tag currently forces not specific version, maybe it should
force at least 1.3.x which is the (current) Processing minimum)
- linux (just installing that)
- how the openGL tag behaves.
- DOM, for example if the object-tag-applet shows up in document.applets[]

F

fjen God Member Offline Posts: 965	Re: standards-compliant "built with processin Reply #8 - Jan 2^nd, 2007, 6:50pm and to keep things tidy: alpha discussions: #2

fjen God Member Offline Posts: 965	Re: standards-compliant "built with processin Reply #9 - Jan 4^th, 2007, 2:38am -- removed old links -- F
	« Last Edit: Jan 15^th, 2007, 5:38pm by fjen »

fjen God Member Offline Posts: 965	Re: standards-compliant "built with processin Reply #10 - Jan 15^th, 2007, 5:37pm Continues here: http://processing.org/discourse/yabb_beta/YaBB.cgi?board=Integrate;action=display;num=1168878870 F

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