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watz
Using Flickr for sketching
May 22nd, 2006, 5:58am  
What follows is a pro-Flickr rant, so ignore at will...

Among the many unique features of the visual programming tool VVVV, one of the most enviable is the CTRL-3 shortcut for "Upload screenshot". All screenshots are immediately uploaded to the vvvv.meso.net web site and shared with all users. It's an excellent way to get an overview over what people are working on, and it's simply a very cool community-building tool.

Personally, I publish sketches to Flickr regularly when working on a project. It serves as a repository of various versions, and lets users (both curators and random passers-by) comment on the work. What I like best is going back and seeing versions and ideas that went nowhere, and which I had forgotten about. From re-discovery is a small step to resurrection...

There is a Flickr pool for Processing already, but sadly it doesn't see much use right now. Uploading manually to Flickr is not as spontaneous as the VVVV function, but it still works well for showing off sketches etc. I'm hereby proposing that all Flickr-using Processing heads should upload their snapshots. Start by making your own Processing set, tag the images "processing.org" and add them to the Processing Pool. You'll be surprised at how well it works as a sketchbook, where people can even comment on the work as it happens.

See the Flickr Processing Pool for what is already there. For some users who are making good use of Flickr, see the following:

- Christian Giordano
- Robert Hodgins / flight404
- David Lu
- Alison Mealey
- Stephen Boyd
- Toxi
- wnugroho.org

See also the tag "processing.org" on Flickr. This is the best tag for letting people know that an image is Processing-related, and is the tag you should use on your blog or your del.icio.us account as well.
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mflux
Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #1 - May 22nd, 2006, 12:52pm  
This is really cool! I'll consider joining this when I have something worthy of putting up Smiley
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TomC
Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #2 - May 22nd, 2006, 1:11pm  
Some of my most viewed things on Flickr are Processing sketches:
http://flickr.com/photos/tom-carden/tags/processing

Jared Tarbell has some stuff on Flickr too, e.g.
http://flickr.com/photos/generated/tags/computation/
http://flickr.com/photos/generated/tags/computational/
http://flickr.com/photos/generated/tags/complexification/

I agree it's a nice place to put things as you're working.

That said, I think that the Flickr people might not be so accomodating. Because they like to encourage a 'photos only' attitude to Flickr, they will probably ask you to mark your images as 'may offend'.  

This seems odd but it takes them out of the public areas (especially tag pages) and means that people looking for photos are less likely to be annoyed by them.  They ask the same thing of people posting screen shots or lots of CG.  If you don't do it they just mark your whole account that way when they notice you, and then none of your photos will show up in public areas Sad

That would mean that a 'processing.org' tag was next to useless, however, and we'd be stuck with only using a group.

Maybe we could make a tool for the Processing IDE which would post a screen shot to Flickr and automatically mark it 'may offend'* and post it to a Processing group though?

'may offend' means NIPSA/Not In Public Site Areas, I think. http://flickr.com/forums/help/14692/#reply74559 has the current Flickr line on this
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watz
Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #3 - May 22nd, 2006, 1:41pm  
Hi Tom! As always, you have a good point. I just figure Flickr will never actively sanction this kind of use, particularly not when it's your own work.

I would be much more careful to use Flickr as a data storage unit for blogs, or as somewhere to store found imagery that I didn't own the copyright to (i.e. the YouTube dilemma). And even if the images did end up outside the Flickr mainstream it would still fulfill the purpose.

An integrated Processing screenshot upload tool would be cool, but having spent a week with Casey and Ben in Barcelona I have been humbled beyond the point of making any suggestions unless I can implement them myself. Besides, that is strictly a "cool" feature, and not worth losing any real development time from the core team.

I guess ultimately it's also a question of a work process. I've had very good results with having a button in every sketch that automatically saves the screen in an incremental fashion. Big projects can end up with over 100 snapshots, some of which are real gems.

Thanks for the Flickr-savvy feedback... (Btw, how do you know you've been NIPSA'ed?)
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watz
Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #4 - May 22nd, 2006, 1:48pm  
Another thing about Flickr: Sometimes you will find amazingly beautiful things you wouldn't have known about otherwise. Like  the origami work of Richard Sweeney and Eric Gjerde. Or Matt Lewis' generative sketches.

Now I probably sound like a real Flickr dork, so I'll leave it at that.
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flight404
Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #5 - May 23rd, 2006, 3:52am  
Okay, Im with you Watz.  Pushed all my processing pics over to the public group and tagged them all with processing.org.  Even inspired me to put up grabs of the stuff I am working on today.

-r
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watz
Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #6 - May 23rd, 2006, 6:30pm  
Cool, glad to hear it. Your new work looks great, San Francisco must be working for ya...
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watz
Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #7 - May 30th, 2006, 12:44pm  
Just a quick update to say that the Processing Flickr Group has really picked up in the last week, with many interesting images being posted.
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fjen
Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #8 - May 30th, 2006, 1:38pm  
hmm .. i'm very tempted ... but have no time:

http://www.flickr.com/services/api/upload.api.html

http://flickrj.sourceforge.net/

maybe someone will kick in with a tool?

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Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #9 - Jun 5th, 2006, 10:32pm  
It's not a total solution, but I put up a library on processinghacks.com that emulates the Control-3 functionality in VVVV. I didn't have time to figure out the Flickr API yet..

http://www.processinghacks.com/hacks/quickscreengrab

Does anyone know how a library like Sonia lets you start it with just one call like this:

Sonia.start(this);

instead of needing to make an instance of the class and initialize it? I'm guessing it has something to do with making the class static? Anyway it would make this a little simpler..
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seltar
Re: Using Flickr for sketching
Reply #10 - Jun 20th, 2006, 7:38am  
regarding the sonia question:
probably using registerDraw() etc.
That won't need an instansiation of the object, and the start-function has to be static to be run in that manor.

regarding flickr, i did some serious work.. but only met problems.. if anybody want to continue my flickr-project, contact me.. it's all the authentication that got me Tongue

-seltar
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