toxi,

i'd love to read thru the notes you mentioned.

and i agree with you to a certain degree ...

yes, there are some quite nice ideas and implementiotions out there. my comment was more from a pragmatic point of view. i love to follow the ideas behind such projects as you mentioned and i love to come up with my own ideas about enhancing and improving the processing-site. but knowing that it can take ages for users to realize there's a search-function to the forum let's most dreams implode instantly. the main focus should be on our target-group, keeping it as simple as possible and giving casey some room to do other things he enjoyes more than fixing the site. and ... ideas never have been the problem with the update, it's people (as you realized). i don't wanna blame anyone for the lack of progress but the first thing to come up with is a good and reliable team to do the job.

another thing then is to ask ourselfs: how important is it to have the wiki in the overall use / sense of the site and how much time would we like to spend on installing / administrating that specific part? does it make sense to introduce a "complex" system at one end of the site while not improving the things that really need a fix (i.e. the pseudo-cms behind it)? and, if we are to rework the backend doesn't it make sense to rather have our own wiki-or-any-other-idea-code than to try to hop between packages? the story is endless ...

that said maybe the thread should be redirected to focus on what the main functionalities of the site are. what it needs to do really good and then to think about where to come up with a better way of doing it.

best,
florian