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Re: What Has Driven Women Out of Computer Science
Reply #6 - Nov 19th , 2008, 7:53pm
Hmmm this perennial topic has lured my from lurkdom, I'll be the first female coder to post then. I hope I am not alone. I don't have any firm answers merely anecdotal evidence, generalisations and personal experience. There are a few aspects I think. 1. Do girls spend less time with computers, why? 2. Why don't women study computer science? 3. Why are there fewer women in computer related jobs? 4. Why aren't women visible in coding related social spaces such as irc and forums? My experiences in these areas (disclaimer: this may not be indicative of the general reactions and viewpoints among women and is not intended to offend anyone) 1. Imo most games suck, I hate mangling things, leaving bloody messy trails, wielding huge guns. I loved Abe's Odessey/Exodus and lately Spore because things are more open ended with multiple solutions. Which may explain why I like coding. Other than that, since the first blue rays from the tv connected to ZX81 hit my face I have not been able to tear myself away from devices with processors that can be commanded. So I am not the right person to ask. 2. This is a difficult one for me too since I studied so long ago and at that time there were 4 girls in a class of 40. I don't think it has changed though. What I can say from experience getting my sister and mother to be computer involved is that as soon as the computer becomes a communication device rather than an infuriating unpredictable beast things progress very quickly. Does anybody say that girls are worse at operating cell phones, imo not really. That and the concept that it is ok not to know how to do something, it doesn't mean you are stupid, because part of the skill is finding things since things change so quickly. Women are good with finding things but that isn't one of the skills that gets a lot of limelight. 3. Well if fewer women qualify there will be fewer in industry. Also unfortunately I have repeatedly found my renumeration less than colleagues, albeit possibly due to the fact that I hate going into a battle to fight for the right size pay packet. Generally too I think it would benefit both men and women and companies if more flexible working arrangements were the norm, ie job sharing and sub 40 hour work week. This would encourage men to take part of the family responsibilities which would free up women to be more career focused. In my experience it is still largely women who take family responsibilities to the detriment of a career. Also typically in a new job I find I have to prove my worth more stringently than male colleagues as somehow since men aren't used to having women coders around there is an expectation that they can't code. The best advice I have for women going into the field though is to have a thick skin and to work from the premise that your colleagues aren't sexist and mostly they won't be. I have had the odd "if she can iron we can teach her to solder comments" but that is soon solved by ignoring the comment and finding a bug in the commenter's code and preferably dealing with situations using humour. 4. There probably are fewer women out there who have coding interest and maybe too since there are so many guys in the forums/irc women don't want to open their mouths, I guess the reputed clubhouse thing. I think if there are visible women talking other women will feel happier to say something. Luckily I haven't been harrassed on irc as has been reported, though I did choose a gender neutral nick when frequenting some cg modeling irc channels populated largely by people who had a penchant for big-breasted-girl-androids-with-big-guns. As for this forum, I have been lurking since I have been so busy and I had a technical login issue. Having said all of that I think older people and people not hailing from "western first world" communities will have similar problems. One could equally ask why are there so few people over 60 in the coding forums or why are there so few people from eg Mozambique in the coding forums or the computer profession for that matter. Which takes us to the whole Digital Divide issue ... For recurring discussion on the topic there is lots to read at the ubuntu-women mailing list archive, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/ check February 2008, March 2008, April 2008, May 2008