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Wireless Video/Still Aproaches? (Read 1271 times)
Wireless Video/Still Aproaches?
Jul 10th, 2007, 9:55am
 
Hello processing community, searched for wireless in this topic but didn't find anything.

Here's the crux, and i'm actively researching:

Giving a workshop + creating an participation based installation for a festival at the end of Oct (Italy). and have a distinct need to capture(+process/sketch) video and/or stills in an entirely wireless capacity.  This includes the power requirements of the device(s).  There are wired approaches but require their own engineering and restrict the concept a fair bit.  To put it shortly, these devices will be manipulated by myself and participants in extraordinarily bizarre ways, beyond the design of most stuff on the market, and I would like processing and other code to have access to that output in real-time (or slightly delayed but still unmanned) to be fed into the feedback mechanisms.

My thoughts on approaches so far:

+ webcam (ideally wireless), use processing or other software to capture stills with a timing participants can predict, thus control image.

+ the P&S cameras with wireless built in (there are a few), but they use proprietary software and I'm not positive images will get handled in a way I can maniuplate them in a scripted fashion (research pending).  I'm almost positive none of them will do video+wireless)

+ I'm seeing 80211b CF cards, but have no experience with them, I don't think they are to a point where they can permit CF digicams to transmit files?

+ I hadn't considered bluetooth till now, which might be an approach if the range to the computer issues can be worked out.

Once access to the output is figured out, the rest of the feedback looping is easy(ish).

Anyone done anything similar?  Specifically the wireless aspects + processing?

I don't have much funding for equipment, but do have a large community that might donate to cover some modest expense along these lines.

Aspects may be tricky, but I have development time to work with.  Advice?  Collaboration?

clickykbd
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Re: Wireless Video/Still Aproaches?
Reply #1 - Jul 10th, 2007, 11:34am
 
You should take a look at this :

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=NIGHT-WIRELESS&cat=VID&cpc=VIDbsc

To be able to use this camera with Processing, you'll have to have a video capture card on your computer.
Re: Wireless Video/Still Aproaches?
Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2007, 5:06am
 
Thanks for the tip!

I hadn't branched into looking for composite+capture solutions yet.  And that one is cheap enough to experiment with regardless.

Unfortunately I can't bring a desktop with me, and my laptop doesn't have capture.  They are providing some machines but I don't know what they will be exactly.  So I'd be looking at a USB capture device(s) solution in conjunction with cameras like the model you recommend.

For example:
http://www.everythingusb.com/hardware/Graphics_and_Sound/USB_Video_Capture.htm

Any recommendations along those lines?  Prices/designs seem to vary wildly.

Downside here is I'd likely be restricted to one camera per computer, unless I explore multiple monitoring via a IP camera management node such as:
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=BLK-9100A-PLUS-N&cpc=RECOM

and I'd still have to come up with a wireless power solution for the camera units (hint, people are going to be throwing them, cords tend to get in the way and cause disaster).

Even if I end up with wireless P&S solutions, I like this camera and price!  It will allow me to have at least one webcam in the mix I hope.  So thanks again!

clicky
Re: Wireless Video/Still Aproaches?
Reply #3 - Jul 28th, 2007, 11:17am
 
FYI, found these, going to play with the wired version using hardware capture, if video quality is okay I will then try the wireless.  The baby cam has a 9v battery connect as an optional power supply.  Only model i could find that was totally wireless! (besides a couple "spy cams" on a questionable asian imports site).

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=MINI-WIRELESS-CAM&cpc=RECOM
Re: Wireless Video/Still Aproaches?
Reply #4 - Jul 28th, 2007, 11:51am
 
i haven't used this myself, but i'm wondering whether it would get you what you want -- since it's an IP camera you wouldn't need a video capture card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826216001

edit: actually it may not, since according to reviews it servers .asf rather than .jpg, but i'm sure i've seen ones that do
Re: Wireless Video/Still Aproaches?
Reply #5 - Jul 29th, 2007, 4:45am
 
ch wrote on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:51am:
i haven't used this myself, but i'm wondering whether it would get you what you want -- since it's an IP camera you wouldn't need a video capture card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826216001

edit: actually it may not, since according to reviews it servers .asf rather than .jpg, but i'm sure i've seen ones that do


I've looked into the wireless IP cams a fair bit.  They are power hungry so rigging a truely wireless power supply would be annoying.  My old roommate has a few D-link ones, and it looks cumbersome.  Plus many of them have very convoluted ways of getting movies back to a server.  Proprietary software, embedded web monitoring etc.  If you were to try one for a project I'd suggest one that supports direct writing of the movie files over the network to a share that processing can access (not quite real-time but could work for some projects).  There are at least a few that do that.  Or one who's drivers make the network camera appear as a local cam on the machine running the software (which I have not found documentation of).

I'm still hoping that little guy composite cam with the 9v battery posted earlier is my solution.  TBD.
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