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jimthree

jimthree

Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

in Integration and Hardware • 3 years ago

Hey Folks.

I can't get any OPENGL sketches working on my 64bit (intel/nvidia) windows machines. I get the following error:

Can't load IA 32-bit .dll on a AMD 64-bit platform

I'm aware that this is a known issue and in the bug database, Ben has commented that he's going to fix it. I've also read some threads such as these...

http://forum.processing.org/topic/can-t-run-processing-in-ubuntu-10-04lts-64-bit

http://processing.org/discourse/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1271143980/3

... that relate to the same issue but always on linux, and not windows.

My understanding is that this should be easy to fix by downloading the windows x64 JOGL libs and replacing the ones installed as default in processing. However when I look at the JOGL published binaries, I can only see an AMD64bit Jar, nothing for x64 intel (does that even matter?)

Could someone please tell me where I get the replacement JOGL (and other necessary files?) for wintel x64, and how they are installed? (do I have to uncompress the .JAR?)

Thanks for your patience, I know this must be tiring ;)

Jim

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jimthree

jimthree

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Hey Guys

Do you need more info from me to help sort this problem out? Any help anyone can give would be really appreciated.

thanks

Jim

Jack Kern

Jack Kern

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

I believe I got it working on Vista 64 using the AMD64bit jars... the AMD is just referring to the 64bit standard as far as I know, which Intel 64bit cores use as well... this is similar to the term "x86" for 32 bit PC cores.

Jack

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jimthree

jimthree

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Thanks Jack, that's really appreciated. Do you remember which files you had to swap out, is it just the JOGL jar? Did you have to uncompress the Jar? It's good to know that someone has got it working, there is hope there :)

cheers

Jim

jeff_g

jeff_g

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

I'm also interested. Jimthree, did you figure out what files you had to swap? Is there any way to include both for a wider range of supported systems? I want to support both Intel and AMD systems (32bit & 64bit).

jimthree

jimthree

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Hi Jeff, No I've not got it working because I've not really had the time to randomly swap out files until I find the right combination. I've done some more research and I now 100% agree with Jack (above) that the reference to AMD is misleading, there are no separate files for AMD and Intel, AMD is just used in some situations to mean 64bit. (I think they designed or implemented the 64bit instruction set that everyone now uses)

This certainly simplifies the problem, and I've been given another hint that all the files we need are already in the processing (library?) sub-directories. we shouldn't need to D/L anything new to get it running on 64bit. it's just a matter of renaming or swapping files already there. Of course, I could have got that totally wrong.

please share any success you have, If I get round to trying it myself any time soon, I'll post back here.

Jim

jeff_g

jeff_g

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Once we get this figured out, we need to put it in the Wiki. Hopefully without recompile this and run this ruby script.. etc. Looking for simple steps. So if we use the 64bit files, will it still work with 32bit? Do the files co-exist?

jimthree

jimthree

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

I don't know about the co-existence, I guess that is something we'll have to find out! Hopefully, we wont need to use a work around for long anyway, as Ben has acknowledged the issue and its in the bug list.

Jim

monkstone

monkstone

Re: Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Hi guys, I am lucky linux user and the problem is largely sorted by the Larry Kyrala ruby script that preserves the original 32 bit native binaries (just in case). I'm sure it would be easy enough to have a script to swap the originals back, but would you really want to?

I guess the equivalent windows files will be:-

jogl.dll

jogl_awt.dll

gluegen-rt.dll

jogl_cg.dll

best of luck!

I think the main problem comes when you try to run opengl applets in your browser and get the wrong native binary served. This issue should have been fixed with jnlp launcher which ominously once worked, and has now stopped working. Anything to do with Google/Oracle wrangle or is it just another java balls up.

cedrickiefer

cedrickie..

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Did anybody solve the problem yet? I have some problems using opengl with eclipse on a 64 bit system.

Exception in thread "Animation Thread" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: D:\eclipse\projects\test\jogl.dll: Can't load IA 32-bit .dll on a AMD 64-bit platform

cedrickiefer

cedrickie..

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

it is working now...

i deinstalled the 64 bit java version.

jeff_g

jeff_g

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Working, but not fixed. And we still don't know how best to go about the workaround.

jeff_g

jeff_g

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Any update here.. can someone please give specific instructions for this..

jimthree

jimthree

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Hurrah! I have a fix.

I found the 64bit JOGL dll's in a project called JMonkeyEngine. The link to the googlecode page is here:

http://code.google.com/p/jmonkeyengine/source/browse/trunk/lib/jogl/native/windows_amd64/?r=4069

I downloaded all the files listed, (I used the 'View Raw File' option).

gluegen-rt.dll

jogl.dll

jogl_awt.dll

jogl_cg.dll

I then overwrote the existing files of the same name in my "processing\libraries\opengl\library" folder.

It was a fresh install of processing, and I didn't change anything else. I can now run OpenGL examples on my Win7 64bit machine without problem.

It seems it's only the .DLL files that need updating. I was convinced for some reason that I needed to update the .Jar files too, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I don't know how recent the JOGL files are that ship with processing, or how current the 64bit files from JMonkeyEngine are. I'm just happy to have something 3D oGL on my screen.

I've not contacted the author(s) of JMonkeyEngine, but I can't see why they would mind us using these files (they are public anyway) but over the next few days I may look a bit more into what they are doing and drop them a note, if nothing else, just to say thanks.

Jim

jeff_g

jeff_g

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Awesome! Does it also work on Win32?

kooogy

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

all the files you need are already in the opengl libraries directory that comes with the standard processing download, you just need to unjar the two jars. everything else is the same - i use the same processing download under two different linux distros, one 32bit, one 64bit doing this.

> jar -xvf gluegen-rt-natives-windows-amd64.jar
   173 Fri May 15 16:55:28 BST 2009 META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
   256 Fri May 15 16:55:28 BST 2009 META-INF/JAVA_MED.SF
5295 Fri May 15 16:55:28 BST 2009 META-INF/JAVA_MED.RSA
     0 Fri May 15 16:54:20 BST 2009 META-INF/
7680 Thu May 22 02:17:48 BST 2008 gluegen-rt.dll

> jar -xvf jogl-natives-windows-amd64.jar
   296 Fri May 15 16:55:46 BST 2009 META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
   379 Fri May 15 16:55:46 BST 2009 META-INF/JAVA_MED.SF
5295 Fri May 15 16:55:46 BST 2009 META-INF/JAVA_MED.RSA
     0 Fri May 15 16:54:56 BST 2009 META-INF/
351232 Thu May 22 02:45:04 BST 2008 jogl.dll
9216 Thu May 22 02:45:04 BST 2008 jogl_awt.dll
131072 Thu May 22 02:45:06 BST 2008 jogl_cg.dll

(ideally you wouldn't need to, the relevant jars would be added to classpath based on your operating system and architecture)

jimthree

jimthree

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Wow. Wouldn't it have been brilliant if someone had replied to my original post back in july, or any of the following ones with this simple snippet of information. It only took me four months of trial and error to work out how to do it.

Jim

monkstone

monkstone

Re: Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

I tried to give this group a steer in an earlier post but no-one seemed to take any notice, I don't see what's different from what I suggested. Incidentally the problem I mentioned about OPENGL applets and has been solved elsewhere (and the gears example worked for me, looks bloody complicated though).

kooogy

Re: Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

> Wow. Wouldn't it have been brilliant if someone had replied to my original post back in july

you're assuming we knew in july. i only found out when moving to new version of ubuntu (not windows) and figuring i'd try the 64 bit version this time. and only then after i'd hunted down and downloaded 64 bit jogl jars myself - went to put them in the right place, noticed they were already there...

jeff_g

jeff_g

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

I started a wiki page... please help outline the steps to take. Hoping to get a Step-by-step guide. We have bits and pieces above but no real step-by-step. Here is the page to make it happen.
http://wiki.processing.org/w/64-bit_Support

jimthree

jimthree

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Apologies for my spleen filled outburst above. Frustration got the better of me.

I don't have write access to the wiki so I can't edit it myself, although I've already sent Casey a message to ask him to add the relevant details in.

the step by step guide should read something like:

1) Locate the jogl-natives-windows-amd64.jar and gluegen-rt-natives-windows-amd64.jar in your " processing\libraries\opengl\library" folder.

2) either use the " jar -xvf " command to unpack these Jar files (or just rename the .jar extension to .zip and use your favourite unzip tool)

these Java Archives (JAR) contain (among others) the following files:

gluegen-rt.dll

jogl.dll

jogl_awt.dll

jogl_cg.dll

3) overwrite your original files of the same name with these you've just unpacked.

job done.

As Koogy has shown us, the standard processing installation contains all the files you need to do this, you don't need to go and download them from jMonkeyEngine.

Jim

jeff_g

jeff_g

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Thanks, Updated!

ventai

ventai

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

3 years ago

Many thanks guys - have actually been looking into this myself. .

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heaversm

Re: Processing, OpenGL and Windows x64

1 year ago

Hi - I am having a problem with this too, but I cannot find the jar, and I cannot find the folder libraries > opengl > library. Can you tell me where you put your files? I did find a similar library folder in modes > java > libraries > opengl > library > windows64, as mentioned in this post:

https://forum.processing.org/topic/opengl-with-x64-windows-does-not-work-what-to-do

but I could not figure out where to put the files. Thanks for any help you can provide.

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